stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Target Feedback......
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14:05:49
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>> GG: You have gotten a firm grasp on the target and now you are conducting
a very indepth analysis of the various components and aspects of the target.
Sign of a well trained and well disciplined viewer....your instructor must
have been a genius...
.... My instructor is just a hair off perfect ... anyone want to disagree?
why I shall just draw my short sword.................... :-)
Watch the labelling however .."King"..what does that mean..describe that
concept and see it he remains "King"
... The great man I saw was a King, ruler, a great heart.. I can draw him for
you as well as the great hall, lit my many candles and smoking fat,
merriment,
long tables, a happy free people....
This beautiful 'time' is from before christians rolled thru...
read just the first chapter of 'The Mists of Avalon'.....
however, far too much labelling going on here...be careful of entering an AOL
drive...you were doing so good.... >>
Yes,..... :-) thank you, GG for the target and your time...
I am very pleased with the session...
It was fun, I love energies...
(AOL, whatever I am right..... hahahahaha good magic...... hahahah :-)
Fond Regards... ~AquaSerene~ :-)
P.S. Whats an " ideogram " ???
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Food for thought...
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/402)
14:06:19
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Regarding 'no trespassing signs...'
Robert Monroe writes in his book 'Ultimate Journey' pg. 109
"What we need to do, weather in- or out-of body, is to ignore or tear
down the No Trespassing signs, the taboos, the notice that says Holy of
Holies, the distortions of time and translation, the soft black holes of
euphoria, the mysticisms, the myths, the fantasies of an eternal farther or
mother image, and then take a good look with our acquired and growing left
brain. Nothing is sacred to the point where it should not be investageted or
put under inquiry."
go for the gold ring, grab for it .... I do :-) ~Terri~
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Remote Viewing.
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/403)
14:06:28
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I have seen examples of remote viewing of the past.
My question is: "Could someone remote view an experience that I had in
the early 70's?"
I had begun to attand a meditation class. We had our resident, "Trance
Medium." We had the usual people who lied to get attention.
But, one day, I arranged for my (engineer) husband to attend and
photograph "stuff" during the meditation session.
We meditated. He shot Polaroids.. And the----
One shot showed one of the people who have the head of an indian over
his head, complete with 1 feather and one braid hanging over one
shoulder.
We had two photos. I can't remember which came before or after, but one
showed NOTHING.
Sorry to say, I gave the photos to the house owners. But could we remote
view this time and find out why it happened?
I can't prove it. But I was there. Why would the same situation show two
different phtots. Unless, there was a message?
Can RV tell us the message?
Hope So.
Marilyn
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Food for thought...
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14:06:40
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> go for the gold ring, grab for it .... I do :-) ~Terri~
I haven't read this book...I have read 'Far Journey'...wonderful
quote....thanks...
Monroe submitted to the inquiries of psychological assessment...but more than
that, he himself dared to take the journey. Joe was first spun out into the
journey and then dared to inquire into the science of it all. A balanced
approach with a daring attitude of
no 'holy of holies' combined with a reverence for the wonder of life will return
us
to the central core of our reality...who am I? who are 'all my relations'?
because what is possible is a much wider band than what is not, we should
assume that anything we can imagine is possible. Only when we become capable of
self validation do we transcend the barriers of socially acceptable
reality...and I challenge any of you to tell me socially acceptable reality is
the 'realist of real'.
Shelia
stargate : Message: [stargate]
TWA 800 crash P-Viewing
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14:06:52
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Hi guys,
For those interested in the follow up of a 17 july 1996 RVed target (remember Ed
Dames &
al. ?),
here' s a quote of Riley G's "TWA 800 - Psychic Viewing" I got today by E-mail
:
start of quote :
"
- I see that the cause of the TWA 800 flight was caused by a bomb made in 5
parts.
- These parts were made up of high powered liquid explosive placed in 4 duty
free
bottles of liquor/wine. I believe the bottles were purchased several days prior
to the
explosion and brought out of JFK rather than going though to another country.
After
being purchased the contents were removed through the bottom of the bottle, or
in the
case of wine a syringe may have been inserted and the contents drained through
the
corks, and the explosives inserted. The devices may have been set off by a
electronic
alarm clock (timer) and blasting cap. Blasting cap was smuggled through xray by
being
placed inside the body via the mouth (swallowed outside the airport and thrown
up in
airport restroom, or placed in rectum and retrieved later).
- Once past the security area and customs areas the bomber simply retrieved the
basting
cap and made his(her) connections to one of the bottles and once inside the
airplane
this device was placed in an overhead compartment.
- When the device went off it blew away a major portion of the airplane near the
front
cabin just behind or in the 1st class section (top and side) thus causing the
plane to
break apart and crash.
- I also believe that the plane was suppose to blow up further from the USA and
in
deeper waters. The plane was delayed 1 hour at JFK before takeoff and may have
been why
the plane exploded and crashed so close to JFK. "
End of quote.
More infos may be found at
Any comments ?
Take care,
Jean-Luc
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Target Feedback......
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14:07:03
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>>
P.S. Whats an " ideogram " ???
>>
In the Coordinate Remote Viewing discipline, something for which I am no
capable of teaching, the Viewer begins by placing the tip of their pencil on
the left edge of the paper and waiting for the coordinates to be read. At
that point, the viewer permits the pencil to run free with no restrictions,
allowing it to complete a single line containing loops, straight lines, curves
(up or down) etc, and from this line the viewer then begins to describe the
target. In the classic Ingo Swann technique, this ideogram represents the
first signal from the target and therefore may be incomplete or hard to fully
understand however, as the session moves on, the ideogram usually begins to
make a little more sense. It is the doorbell at the front door of the target.
You can't tell much about what is inside yet, but you are at the right
place...Strongly suggest ideograms be discussed with the two masters, Paul and
Liam...Paul especially was able tocome up with amazing ideograms during the
many sessions I monitored with him...but then again he is an artist in his onw
right...a very talented artist as those of us who get his Charistmas cards can
attest...(hope you have started this years Paul...hint hint...)...Liam on the
other hand has the great voice of the Irish tenor to his merit...and fills the
halls with the crystal clear tones of sweet Ireland as he works during the
day....it is a sound which has no equal...NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.....
Regards...Gene..
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Target Feedback......
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14:07:13
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>> target. In the classic Ingo Swann technique, this ideogram represents the
first signal from the target and therefore may be incomplete or hard to fully
understand however, as the session moves on, the ideogram usually begins to
make a little more sense. >>
..... sheesh... good thing I have a kind and patient teacher.. I would never
understand all that... I'll just stick to what I am doing, it's easier...
Blonde Remote Viewing...... :-)
----
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Happy Birthday to Steve C.
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/408)
14:07:21
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Sending happy birthday wishes to the webmaster -- Steve Crietzman. Keep
up the good work and have a great day! (Please don't get mad that used up
list space for personal business. It is your day -- celebrate!!).
Jane
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Happy Birthday to Steve C.
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/409)
14:07:35
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!! STEVE :)
I hope you have a great day :)
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TWA 800 crash P-Viewing
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14:07:54
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Re: [stargate] TWA 800 crash P-Viewing
hm15 wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> For those interested in the follow up of a 17 july 1996 RVed target (remember
Ed Dames &
> al. ?),
> here' s a quote of Riley G's "TWA 800 - Psychic Viewing" I got today by
E-mail :
>
> start of quote :
> "
> - I see that the cause of the TWA 800 flight was caused by a bomb made in 5
parts.
> - These parts were made up of high powered liquid explosive placed in 4 duty
free
> bottles of liquor/wine. I believe the bottles were purchased several days
prior to the
> explosion and brought out of JFK rather than going though to another country.
After
> being purchased the contents were removed through the bottom of the bottle, or
in the
> case of wine a syringe may have been inserted and the contents drained through
the
> corks, and the explosives inserted. The devices may have been set off by a
electronic
> alarm clock (timer) and blasting cap. Blasting cap was smuggled through xray
by being
> placed inside the body via the mouth (swallowed outside the airport and thrown
up in
> airport restroom, or placed in rectum and retrieved later).
> - Once past the security area and customs areas the bomber simply retrieved
the basting
> cap and made his(her) connections to one of the bottles and once inside the
airplane
> this device was placed in an overhead compartment.
> - When the device went off it blew away a major portion of the airplane near
the front
> cabin just behind or in the 1st class section (top and side) thus causing the
plane to
> break apart and crash.
> - I also believe that the plane was suppose to blow up further from the USA
and in
> deeper waters. The plane was delayed 1 hour at JFK before takeoff and may have
been why
> the plane exploded and crashed so close to JFK. "
> End of quote.
>
> More infos may be found at
> Any comments ?
> Take care,
> Jean-Luc
Great....now there are FOUR causes for the crash claimed by four
different remote viewers using four different methodologies.
Rich
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
TWA 800 crash P-Viewing
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14:08:06
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Rich Krankoski wrote:
> Great....now there are FOUR causes for the crash claimed by four
> different remote viewers using four different methodologies.
Because of the intensive mass mind focused upon this event
and its aftermath, I would imagine there is every opportunity
for psychic/analytic overlay....
But I gotta agree, it's enough to make one run off screaming
into the fog. Hang in there Rich!
Shelia
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
TWA 800 crash P-Viewing
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14:08:18
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Rich--
At 09:17 PM 7/18/98 -0400, you wrote:
>> For those interested in the follow up of a 17 july 1996 RVed target
(remember Ed Dames &
>> al. ?),
>> here' s a quote of Riley G's "TWA 800 - Psychic Viewing" I got today by
E-mail
>Great....now there are FOUR causes for the crash claimed by four
>different remote viewers using four different methodologies.
I think Riley G considers himself a "psychic"--and I'm certainly not in a
position currently to either substantiate or dispute that claim. I'm not
however sure he claims to be a "remote viewer." As has been debated hotly
and furiously at various times over PJ's list and, I imagine, in other
venues at other times, being a psychic and being a remote viewer are two
different (if in some ways related) things. In any case, if you put
together all the scenarios proposed by all the psychics in addition to
remote viewers, you'd have many more than four!
This particular account was available back at the time of the Dames/Brown
"wars" over TWA 800's demise. It's pretty much been discounted just by the
physical "feedback"--they've recovered enough of the aircraft, and a bomb
of this nature would have left plenty of telltale evidence--none of which
has reportedly been found. That is, of course, unless you subscribe to the
"conspiracy to withhold information" theory, in which case the results of
this particular scenario would be very difficult to cover up, even if there
were a reason to do so (of which I can't think of any--it would actually be
very convenient to be able to blame TWA 800 on a bomb from some
international terrorist group or other).
Oh, well--I'll probably be sorry i tossed a rock into this particular
puddle...
Enjoy!
Paul
BTW, I'll be unsubscribing from this list for about three weeks starting
Monday evening. I'll just have to read all your fascinating posts on the
archives when I get back. If anyone out there absolutely has to reach me,
I'll be reactivating my account effective Tuesday, 21
July through 10 August. My response time will, however, slow even more...
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
TWA 800 crash P-Viewing
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14:08:39
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For you who are interested--
I got an e-mail Friday from John Alexander, a personal friend of Phil
Corso, author of "The Day After Roswell." Phil apparently suffered a fatal
heart attack Thursday night. I've not received further details as yet.
THough this isn't exactly a remote viewing-related news item, there is a
connection. Ingo Swann conducted a project a few years back with a number
of experienced viewers that reportedly produced results similar to what
Corso reported (gleaned from first-hand experience) in his book. I've not
yet read the book to see, but hope to eventually (Stoic philosophy of
perception and Husserl's theory of intentionality are both my reading foci
for the time being! ;-).
Enjoy,
Paul
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Happy Birthday to Steve C.
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/414)
14:08:49
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Happy Birthday my fine young English friend...
On your birthday, take a moment and turn within...
Recall the words engraved upon the very essence of our beingness..
Curiosity killed the cat, ahhhh but satisfaction brought it back....
Then party..... :-) ~T~
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
TWA 800 crash P-Viewing
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14:09:06
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>Great....now there are FOUR causes for the crash claimed by four
>different remote viewers using four different methodologies.
>
>Rich
>
>----
Ill add another cause.
Explosion in main fuel tank from vapors as stated by NTSB but IGNITED by
Laser Energy Beam from Lawrence Livermore labs in New Jersey (miniscule
skin penetration) - ACCIDENT, people testing targeting at very low power.
This is my THEORY only.
D......
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Corso
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/416)
14:09:20
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Dear Paul,
Here is some more information:
CNI NEWS BULLETIN:
Col. Philip J. Corso (U.S. Army, ret.) died at approximately 11:15 pm EDT
on Thursday, July 16,
1998. He was 83.
Corso, who was widely known for his controversial 1997 book, "The Day
After Roswell," suffered
a massive heart attack in early June of this year but made a remarkable
recovery. He was at home
on July 16 and was said to be feeling fine when he apparently suffered a
second heart attack.
According to a family source, Col. Corso died at or enroute to a hospital
in Palm Beach, Florida.
Details are sketchy at this time. CNI News is awaiting further
information from the Corso family.
Meanwhile, condolences may be sent to the family of Philip Corso, Jr.,
Colonel Corso's son, care of
the Roswell UFO Museum. Send attn: Philip Corso Jr., PO Box 2221,
Roswell, NM 88202; fax
(505) 625-1907; email care of deon@....
Further information will be posted to the CNI News web site as it becomes
available.
http://www.cninews.com
Jane
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TWA 800 crash P-Viewing
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14:09:30
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>>
Explosion in main fuel tank from vapors as stated by NTSB but IGNITED by
Laser Energy Beam from Lawrence Livermore labs in New Jersey (miniscule
skin penetration) - ACCIDENT, people testing targeting at very low power.
>>
Nawwww...your all wrong...It was actually an accident but not directed at the
plane. The Remote Influencers were spending some time in the Devils Triangle
checking out alien bases in the deep waters...They came across a gateway to
another universe cleverly disguised as a hugh Vitamin B capsule jar and
decided to investigate and actually pass through the portal. They were doing
fine when they realized that the portal also acted as a time machine moving
them forward...as they realized this they backed away completely...using good
psycho-kenetic energies to propel them away from the site...but in doing so,
they reappeared in front of the ill fated TWA Flight 800...the pilot swerved
to miss them and the people doing the remote influencing/remote
viewing/phscho-kenetic response tried to assist but in doing so confused the
on board computer collision avoidance device with the onboard fuel transfer
system...they were only two inches off but it was enough for them to think
they were influencing the 225 ton aircraft in flight when in fact all they
were doing was shifting 12 ton of fuel from one tank to another...the
tremendous infusion of all that psychic energy by these graduates of the
Michael Flynn School of Zykik Inflooence and bartending ignited the fuel and
the aircraft came apart at the seams...These same individuals have now spent
the last year coming up with all sorts of REALLY wierd reasons for the
aircraft crashing instead of this very very reasonable cause just to throw the
rest of the world off so their stupidity will continue to go undetected and
their receipts fromt their unsuspecting students will continue to
increase......
This is MY theory...
Gene...
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TWA 800 crash P-Viewing
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14:09:42
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>rest of the world off so their stupidity will continue to go undetected and
>their receipts fromt their unsuspecting students will continue to
>increase......
Ah, but were these graduates able to mix drinks, give correct change, and
properly
pour a pint of Guiness?
Which did the graduates do first in their daily training, Zykik Inflooence
or sample the concoctions, that they mixed for bartending class?
- Roger
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TWA 800 crash P-Viewing
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14:09:51
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>Which did the graduates do first in their daily training, Zykik
>Inflooence or sample the concoctions, that they mixed for bartending
>class?
It's common knowledge that the Masters of Zykik Inflooence have taught
their graduates to look in the futue...then, being able to see patrons
enjoying their concoctions...there would be no need for tasting, thus
increasing their bartending profits and honing their skills at the same
time.
Siochain,
Vikki
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Remote Viewing.
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/420)
14:10:04
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Hi Susie,
Read this carefully. Any comments?
Jerry
At 10:35 PM 7/17/98 -0700, you wrote:
>I have seen examples of remote viewing of the past.
>
>My question is: "Could someone remote view an experience that I had in
>the early 70's?"
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TWA 800 crash P-Viewing
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14:10:18
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> This is MY theory...
> Gene...
Holy cow Gene!
Who'd a thought?
No wonder I get such a strange ideogram with that target.
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Remote Viewing.
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14:10:40
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Susie & Jerry
Please respond. Anyone, please respond. I had so many weird experiences
in that group. We thought the we were receiving messeges or guidance. It
was a very special time. Unfortunately, as usual, personalities became a
problem and I left.
In the beginning the people were wonderful. The meditations were
special. I experienced things that I really must sit down and write
about because they were so strange. But, I have always wondered about
the, "Native American." Please forgive me for being so politically
incorrect in the first message.
If anyone has any ideas, please respond.
Thanks,
Marilyn
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TWA 800 crash P-Viewing
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14:11:00
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Re: [stargate] TWA 800 crash P-Viewing
ROTFL!!!! Sounds good to me :)
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TWA 800 crash P-Viewing
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14:11:11
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Say now, that School of Zykism sounds like a winner!
BTW that 'blue ray' business was being put around just after the 800
crash.....I like the Michael Flynn causation better.
Bevy J
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TWA 800 crash P-Viewing
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14:11:20
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hmmm Rich
Rv'ing your ideogram it looks a lot like a black russian.... hmmm?
Bevy J
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14:12:19
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Hi Vikki, Liam here. Vikki, I am amazed you brought this up. As a Grand
Exalted Dragoon, and honor graduate of the Masters of Zykik Inflooence and
Bartending School (or as we refer to old MOZI & BS) I want you to know that
viewing our customers in the future would be unethical. Also our motto at
old MOZI & BS is "We drink our mistakes." Gene was pretty close to the true
story of TWA 800, but he was a wee bit off. Actually several of us Grand
exalted dragons were on a routine STEM (thats "Save the earth mission") We
were trying to destroy the companion in the tail of the hallie boob comet.
Using your standard"Astral Quadratic Equation" we calculated the exact
amount of energy necessary to destroy the companion without altering life as
we know it.Unfortunately, we had been holding court at the BS portion of old
MOZI& BS. We miscalculated by a statistically significant 8.5 %. ( Gene,
maybe now you can see why that 8.5 % is so important.) So we had this extra
8.5 % of energy floating around and that is when someone noticed the empty
fuel tank. Well enough said.
I hope this finally clears up any doubts anyone had. Next week I will
publish my RV data, naming the present location of ELVIS. If you want to
get a copy, please forward $49.99 to old MOZI & BS. Remember The truth is
out there
slainte
May the force be with you
Liam
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14:12:36
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On Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:57:11 +0200, Liam wrote:
>..As a Grand Exalted Dragoon, and honor graduate of the Masters of
>Zykik Inflooence and Bartending School (or as we refer to old MOZI &
>BS) I want you to know that viewing our customers in the future would
>be unethical.
Usually this would be the case, however in accordance with the CRAPOLA
(Consolidated Representatives of Adepts, Priests, Ollahm and Laymen
Association) declaration on page 1273, Article 14, section 27(b) of the
Really Big Book of Stuff (tm) it states that viewing is permissable
under commerce research and development law, as long as the viewing is
not prolonged and is used only to discern consumer satisfaction. Unlike
the case involving one Miss Cynthia Ferriday..and although the defense
stated that she was involved in commerce...we probably shouldn't
discuss that particular occurrence in this forum.
>Also our motto at old MOZI & BS is "We drink our mistakes."
Hmmm..I thought it was "We toast our mistakes" which would certainly
coincide with the previous explanation regarding flight 800.
>I hope this finally clears up any doubts anyone had. Next week I will
>publish my RV data, naming the present location of ELVIS.
I have spoken with the Nashville Network and they would like to know
your terms regarding full broadcast rights. A complimentary Cadillac
will arrive at your home shortly.
Siochain,
Vikki
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TWA 800 etc.
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14:12:48
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Hi All,
>Usually this would be the case, however in accordance with the CRAPOLA
>(Consolidated Representatives of Adepts, Priests, Ollahm and Laymen
>Association) declaration on page 1273, Article 14, section 27(b) of the
>Really Big Book of Stuff (tm) it states that viewing is permissable
Uhhhh... guys.... I think that we're straying just a *tad* off-topic with this
subject... TWA 800 isn't going to help us understanding serious psi/rv..
Anyone out there want to discuss remote-viewing/psi etc again? I believe
the original point behind this thread was to probe why there were four
different RVrs explanations with four methods.. not to create newer
theories or "remote-viewing sessions" around them..
Please feel free to make psi/rv posts here, believe it or not that's what this
list is for! (Serious discussion about controlled forms of psi/rv,
parapsychology
etc, with a small blend of more general psi and relaxed conversation to boot..)
That all said, I didn't mind this thread continuing for a while, since I needed
a good LOL.. and I've really enjoying everyone's, um, "creative explanations"
for what happened to TWA 800.. but I think we should leave Ed Dames to
doing things like that.. :-) I was also hoping this thread might end on it's
own given time, but it seems to be developing into a continuous, long-
running thread with very little to do with psi at all.
I'll copy some of these posts over to the Open Chat BBS, there's nothing
stopping everyone taking their theories and hypo's over there and continuing
the thread there.. the Open Chat BBS is basically unmoderated (flames,
18+ material etc excluded :)
Hope no one minds me intervening.. I just saw this developing into a thread,
and I'd like to make sure that this list doesn't became a newsgroup :) This
list is here for a reason: serious discussion about controlled forms of psi/rv,
with *some* general psi and a *little* light humour and chat to boot.. (although
feel free to write me if you'd like to see something else..)
An idea: how about a separate mailing list for general chat? That way we
could keep this list fairly on-topic, and just "roll over" the off-topic posts
(which are still fun - for some - but make the more relevant posts hard to
find), onto the sister list.. any thoughts on this idea?? That way, those
who *want* the general chat can get it, but those that don't.. won't. I
think that's a simple enough solution - both lists could be treated as
one and the same, but the more 'looser' topics could be nudged onto
the more general list.
Also, one small more point if I may: Please try to reduce 'quoting'.
Try not to respond to a 200-line post, quoting the entire article, only to add
'I agree' to the bottom. It can be annoying to have to scan through
a dozen posts, only to find that eleven replies consist of
lengthy quotes of the original, followed by "I agree." at the bottom. I
hope I'm not alone in feeling that way.
Discussion of TWA 800 is welcome at the all-purpose BBS at:
http://www.progressiveweb.net/local-cgi-bin/openchat.pl
I've only received two complaints about the topics being discussed
on the Star Gate list so far. My feeling is that there might be many more
who are keeping quiet, so I felt I ought to make a post "nudging
people" to consider covering some more psi-relevant topics. I
don't mind a little 'leak' into off-topic subjects or the occassional
joke, that's fine.. I don't want this list to become *too* serious..
we all need a little light relief every now and again, but please bear
in mind that the 60-70 subscribers on this list have all signed up
for the same reason: to discuss psi/rv. Some may be interested
in related subjects, some may want light chat, but everyone wants
to discuss psi/rv, or they wouldn't be here.
I learnt a few weeks ago that many people preferred a list with
few rules - in fact, there were a few extreme libertarians
writing to me insisting I basically do nothing, and say nothing,
at any time, that might stop a post of any kind. Well, I took
notice of that fact, and have relaxed the rules somewhat since
then, but I still felt a few basic ones were necessary, and as
"moderator" (in quotes) and list owner, I could still make posts
like this one.
So, consider this a polite 'nudge' from your friendly moderator,
not an instruction that must be followed. There's always the
Open Chat BBS (address above) for TWA, conspiracy theory
and UFOs. This list was originally intended to be a list for
discussion about more controlled forms of psi and RV, in order
to help fill the void the loss of PJ's Viewer List would cause.
People wanted a list that was pretty much the same, and so
I may occassionally make posts that are designed to encourage
people to discuss more relevant topics, but only if I start to
receive complaints will I make a post or write private emails
asking people to halt a topic and/or carry it on somewhere else.
I hope people understand my reasons for making this post.
Best always,
Steve.
Steve Crietzman (stargate-owner@...)
Star Gate Mailing List Administrator
P.S. Special thanks to Jane and others who wished me a happy
19th birthday.. thank you! :-)
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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14:13:02
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>> we all need a little light relief every now and again, but please bear
in mind that the 60-70 subscribers on this list have all signed up
for the same reason: to discuss psi/rv. Some may be interested
in related subjects, some may want light chat, but everyone wants
to discuss psi/rv, or they wouldn't be here. >>
:-) Steve, yes it's a pitty you cant please all the people all the time,
I know you try, but I did sooooo want to know the crurrent location of
Elvis............. ahhhhhhh what a bummer...
~T~
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Steve:
I believe you are right about relaxing some rules, yes. I also believe that
there is a large, ever-increasing segment of the public who are extremely
interested in psi/rv or yes, there would be no need for this interchange of
ideas and commentary.
Perhaps any unmoderated List goes through throes of birth and a sort of 'get-
acquainted' period. I'm certain PJ's did, too. Remember,guys, she was very
apprehensive about opening a PSI line at all. :) (humor should be a
leavener, however, not directed at anyone's expence, nor should scoffing at
what another believes or has observed be done)
What sparks and carries on any exchange of this sort is questions,
questions, questions...then some answers.
Not all of us came from/followed the exact same disciplines to learn these
skills, and it is true that sometimes 'answerers' will not agree. This, of
course, is inevitable, as no two people see ANY subject alike.
I do think that one rule that should be kept is that personal insults or
derogatory comments should not be allowed. I know of several persons who
dropped all List participation because of reaction to innocent questions
they'd asked; and in one case, the individual was sincerely attempting to make
a point, on the basis of their own experience - and was roundly scoffed off in
a rather high-handed manner!
In truth, no one of us is in possession of ALL truth about any aspect of our
subject, and should never act as if we are. This is, by all means, a LEARNING
process. In my three and a half decades of studying this subject from
'scratch-all' at the start, I have learned a great deal, yes, as all of us
old-timers have, from personal experience, time in grade, observation and the
methods by which we were trained.
However, there are still many areas that remain unanswered; although I feel
many more answers will be forthcoming from present research in the field.
So we DO know many answers, tips and ways to help those who are today
starting at 'scratch-all'......( they're aways ahead of where we started,
though, for back then JB Rhine and the Iron Curtain gang were the only game in
town. :) At least, today there are some books and the entire field is no
longer underground or 'black'.
So, it is our job now to gather in new subscribers with new questions to ask
(or versions of the ones we've handled before)
Oopsydaisy, now I'll get off my little soapbox and let someone else comment.
Bevy J
stargate : Message: [stargate]
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I want to thank people who sent private emails about my polaroid of a
Native American. I appreciated it. Obviously, I front loaded everyone,
so a real Remote Viewing was impossible. But, it was a good lesson in
what not to do. I also appreciate that no one told me what a stupid
thing I had done. Thanks for the kindness.
I have several questions about RVing the past. I remember a book about
psychics doing archeology that I read a long time ago.
Did anyone in the gov't project try to RV the past? Was most of the
work done trying to view present time events and sites? I remember that
someone saw the concentration camps in Germany and political prisoners
held in a camp.
I don't even want to get into the stuff about seeing the future.
Let's say, for example, I set up coordinates for something like the
polaroid experience, but chose a completely different situation. How
likely is it that we would get anything meaningful. What chance of
success is there? Obviously, a lot would depend on the skill of the
Remote Viewer.
I guess what I am really asking is: Has it been done?
Gene's experiment was really interesting to see. The responses were full
of so much detail; they were amazing.
Bye for now,
Marilyn
----
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Hi Marilyn and Bevy,
I'm sure that Bevy will resond, but she is now quite active in remote
viewing the past for archeological as well as palentology ( dinosaurs).
Say Bevy, have you ever Rv'd the past 220 million years ago at the
Permian extincition ( which was far greater than the one 60 million
years ago that killed the dinos). It might be interesting to see what
you see as the cause. Another asteroid, solar flare, nearby supernova,
volcanoes. ice age.....who knows. I won't tell you which is favored.
Best Regards,
Bill
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14:13:49
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Hi Marilyn; Liam here. First let me apologize for not getting back to you
on your earlier question. You obviously got a lot ofgood feed back on I.
>Did anyone in the gov't project try to RV the past? Was most of the
>work done trying to view present time events and sites?
snip
Marilyn, I do not have any figures, but I believe that approximately one
quarter to a half of what we did was targeting a site at an earlier time.
We had some amazing results, which, unfortunately, I cannot site here.
Viewing the past is no more difficult than viewing the future. Your chance
for success is the same as viewing a target in present time, and often
feedback is easier to get.
Keep asking the questions We really need your enthusiasm and curiosity.
slainte
May the force be with you
Liam
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14:13:58
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Hi all,
I'm writting in hope that some of the millitary guys and other long term
viewers can help with some tips on working the stage 4 and 6 matrix for
infromation?
I am an artist by trade, but my sketches are nowhere near as good as my
verbal dscriptions of the target are there any reasons/other instances of
this within rv?
All the best...
Darryl
We came...
We saw...
We wrote a session summery...
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14:14:15
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That's interesting. I noticed a similar thing. I used to use a voice
recorder to record my perceptions, but I started to perceive visuals that
could not be described, and so started to draw them. Since I have abandoned
my voice recorder, I just realized that I am no longer perceiving as many of
the non visual perceptions, like emotion, smells, purpose and sounds. I
should allow both drawing AND voice to become a part of every session.
Once again, this represents another example of - you get what you ask for.
If you forget to ask for sound or smells, you probably won't get them. Which
is another argument in favor of a more 'controlled' protocol rather than my
own 'free-style'.
darryl wrote:
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>I am an artist by trade, but my sketches are nowhere near as good as my
>verbal dscriptions of the target are there any reasons/other instances of
>this within rv?
Hi Daryl, Liam here.
One reason, IMO, for this that your verbal description does not necessarily
make sense to you. The words are just coming in and you are writing them
now. Many times , after seeing the feedack, I thought I had missed the
target completely, however my description was right on. I do not need, in
fact I should not know, where I am at to provide correct verbals. When I
draw, I try to do it the same way. Not with logic but trusting my gut. I
feel there is something above the flat roofed structure. I put my pen there
and trust the signal line, and my gut. If I trust my mind and try draw what
I "think" is there it what should logically be there, I will be partially
right, but my drawing will lose depth and accuracy.
Works for me
slainte
May the force be with you
Liam
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14:16:19
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>I am an artist by trade, but my sketches are nowhere near as good as my
>verbal dscriptions of the target are there any reasons/other instances of
>this within rv?
Hi Daryl, Liam here.
One reason, IMO, for this that your verbal description does not necessarily
make sense to you. The words are just coming in and you are writing them
now. Many times , after seeing the feedack, I thought I had missed the
target completely, however my description was right on. I do not need, in
fact I should not know, where I am at to provide correct verbals. When I
draw, I try to do it the same way. Not with logic but trusting my gut. I
feel there is something above the flat roofed structure. I put my pen there
and trust the signal line, and my gut. If I trust my mind and try draw what
I "think" is there it what should logically be there, I will be partially
right, but my drawing will lose depth and accuracy.
Works for me
slainte
May the force be with you
Liam
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14:16:43
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Marilyn:
The most well-known viewer in the archaeological field is George McMullen,
who worked with Dr. Norman Emerson. There are several books to research
there.
Secondly, Dr. Jeffrey Goodman, author of Psychic Archaeology (library) also
did a great deal of work with viewer Aron Abramsen, as well as with our
resource group, the Psi Squad.
You'll also want to read Dr. Laile Bartlett's PSI TREK (library) which is
crammed with pre-SRI information.
Our Psi Squad projects at this time include several different archaeological
viewing projects, plus a fascinating pre-history project utilizing 65 million
year old fossils.
We are working with scientists on these. You can get more information by
going to our website http://www.slipstrym.com/uspsisquad/ and listening to the
5/26 and 6/8 radio shows we did with Sightings on the Radio.
Although we spend more time on 'crimesolving' tasks as a rule, this year has
brought us a fine crop of very ancient and evidential targets to do.
This is a welcome return to our beginnings, as it was with this type target
that I myself was trained in the first place.
You will find that archaeological and paleontological targets have been very
much a part of the official record of remote viewing.
There is an extremely comprehensive reading List on our site as well, which
includes most of the more interesting books in our Squad library. Those
marked with (L) are available by requesting them from any good Library.
Libraries will find you almost any book, if you are willing to give them a
list and keep calling to expedite the locating work.
Good luck and enjoy reading.
Bevy J
U. S. Psi Squad
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Figure eights
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14:16:51
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Can Figure eights in S3 or any other stage represent aspects of the
afterlife or spirituality? Have any other viewers come across these
before.
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14:17:02
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Hello Greg,
You wrote:
> [snip]
> Once again, this represents another example of - you get what you ask for.
> If you forget to ask for sound or smells, you probably won't get them. Which
> is another argument in favor of a more 'controlled' protocol rather than my
> own 'free-style'.
> [snip]
Interesting...
Do you think the use of pre-printed RVing forms would be of any help for newbies
or RV experts ?
Do you know if any RVers do just underline items in such forms (kind of
"check-list method") instead of writing things down on white paper sheets ?
Has this already been tested in the military ?
Thanks.
Jean-Luc.
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Jean Luc
A sort of 'form' was included in the precog. test area on Dr. D. Radin's site
out of UNLV.
I, for one, found it interesting and helpful to a point, but limited.
Doing your homework?
Bevy J
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14:17:25
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Hi Edith,
You wrote:
> Can Figure eights in S3 or any other stage represent aspects of the
> afterlife or spirituality? Have any other viewers come across these
> before.
>
I got *sometimes* the apparent presence of "non incarnated entities"-
beside an incarnated person sketch in my P3 ideograms, with the strong
feeling that these items were part of the target.
Unfortunately I can't explain for the moment why it occured in some
cases and in others not.
Then the problem comes from the fact it's generally impossible to
validate such a component.There's usually no evidence for it. Were these
entities really there ? Were they who you suppose them to be ? In such
cases some of my teachers used to say "...we have now good reasons to
think that there could be..., etc." because we Knew "they" were there.
On some Lyn Buchanan targets you may also experience some kind of
clearaudience events in P7. (It's as if some invisible friend/helper
whispers something directly related to the target close to your right or
left ear. It's generally very surprising but absolutely not
frightening).
Hope this helps.
Jean-Luc.
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Dear Bevy,
USPsiSquad@... wrote:
> Jean Luc
>
> A sort of 'form' was included in the precog. test area on Dr. D. Radin's site
> out of UNLV.
> I, for one, found it interesting and helpful to a point, but limited.
> Doing your homework?
> Bevy J
> ----
Thank you very much for your input.
I'll check Dean Radin's website.
BTW, would you be so kind as to send me either by E-mail or snail-mail an
exemple
of the RV form you, and the US Psi Squad, generally have to fulfill when helping
to solve a police case ? Is it very different from what Kathlyn Rhea proposes in
her book "Mind Sense" (Celestial Arts, Berkeley, CA, 1988, page 111), for
example
? Think would be helpful as a starting point in the future.
And yes, I'm doing my homeworks again (The football worldcup's over :)
I wait for some infos, concerning the case you've submitted, this evening and
hope to send you all my results before the end of this week.
Warm regards,
Jean-Luc.
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14:17:50
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>> nteresting...
Do you think the use of pre-printed RVing forms would be of any help for
newbies
or RV experts ?
Do you know if any RVers do just underline items in such forms (kind of
"check-list method") instead of writing things down on white paper sheets ?
Has this already been tested in the military ?
>>
NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!...Preprinted forms would be the same as AOL (Analytic
Overlay)...you would tend to look at the items and overlay impressions ...
Liam stated it perfectly (rare for him since his brain cells tend to gurgle in
pools of black Guinness rather that actually respond)...anyhow, Liam noted the
need to follow you heart (gut impressions) when doing your post session
drawings...JUST DO IT...says the shoe add...well this applies to your
sketching and notes as well....Where is your monitor?...personally, I do not
believe you can do effective remote viewing without a monitor and those who
say they can are only fooling themselves with loads of AOL which could just as
easy be spread on roses....but that is only my opinion...if you do not have a
monitor...well train one Damnit!...but get a monitor or you can never repeat
NEVER trust your responses and will always be looking for shortcuts like
preprinted forms to cover the fact you are having problems remote viewing...
Gene...
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>> (The football worldcup's over :) >>
BTW....I would be interested in hearing from all the folks who claim to be
able to consistently win at lotteries...how much did you folks win on the
World Cup and how many of you can document you actually picked France...when
nobody else in the world did...(BTW...for those not interested enough in the
worlds largest sporting event...the World Cup is a soccer tournament)...
Gene Kincaid...
(Now I bet several folks will swear up and down that they have pieces of paper
in their hands which they wrote down four weeks ago noting the score / winner
/ attendance figures....)
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Jean-Luc, one trainer who uses preprinted forms for training is Dr. Wayne
Carr who runs the Western Institute in Reno, Nevada. He trained with
Courtney Brown at Farsight and uses a variation of Scientific Remote
Viewing. I found the forms both helpful and restricting. Helpful in that
they reminded what I was supposed to be doing in this method (I had
already started training in CRV with Paul Smith and SRV has variations on
that method). Restrictive, in that I had to use the word lists provided
for sensory and other words. Sometimes, the word that I wanted was not on
the list. In CRV, the student is required to acquire a wider vocabulary
and not just words like brown and green, but ochre, tan, olive, cream
etc. I don't know if forms were used in the military but you could ask
Paul Smith.
Kind regards
Angela Thompson Smith
The Inner Vision Research Institute
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I dont think I follow non incarnated? Is that What the figure eight
stands for? The reason why I ask is I was tasked a blind target. It
was a missing boy. His friend had drowned in the river and this boy
jumped in to save him but drowned as well. The family was looking for
his bodys whereabouts.In my S3 I drew two LFs with figure eights
beside each lf .I also produced L/D ideos as well as Figure eight
ideos. My cue was boys name/ present time. I guess what my question
really should be is did my session touch upon the spiritual aspect of
target ie afterlife? I know I am the viewer but I did a limited
session until S4. I am wondering if any other viewers have had
gestalts such as these show up in similar targets.If the cue is the
boys name/ present time and he is deceased where would the matrix send
me? To the physical body or the soul which is supposed to go on?
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14:19:41
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>I dont think I follow non incarnated? Is that What the figure eight
>stands for?
snip
I guess what my question
>really should be is did my session touch upon the spiritual aspect of
>target ie afterlife?
Hi Liam here.
do not know if you touched the spiritual aspect. It is certainly possible,
IMO. As for the figure eight. I believe ideograms are viewer specific.
The ideogram I normally get for structure, may be your ideogram for water.
IMO it is the means our subconscious uses to communicate with us. I do not
think there are any ideograms that must mean the same thing to everyone.
BTW, were you able to locate the body of the boy who passed over?
slainte
May the force be with you
Liam
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14:19:51
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In a message dated 98-07-22 12:19:33 EDT, you write:
>> He trained with
Courtney Brown at Farsight and uses a variation of Scientific Remote
Viewing. >>
That explains the need for crutches...
Gene......
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snip >if you do not have a monitor...well train one Damnit!
I have long wished someone would make a good monitor training manual
available to the general public at no cost (Heck, it'd be nice if there
was even a one available to PAY for).. Ah, well..
-Tao_Sk8r
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The rescue team found the boys body caught between rocks in the river.
We are never going to get a full target disclosure but thats ok. My
session was short I was told to work untill S3 but worked it until S4
so I was only able to determine crude elements at target site and if
he was still alive. I concluded he was gone below water (liquid)but
did not say anything. My friend who assigned me the target just
presented the raw data to her.
One warning though this turned into as we say in hebrew a big
ballegan, It is the best word I can use. The relative interrpruted my
data including others she had recieved from various "psychics" that he
was still alive maybe due to the fact that she wanted to believe that.
She attacked my data and put blame on me for her believing he was
still alive because I had EIS of happy overwhelmed and sad although I
never concluded anything never posted an analysis. I guess my friend
figured she would interepret the data herself being a remote viewer
and it is out of structure to do so anyways. Although I wanted to
defend my session and position I did not say anything as I knew she
was grieving and was not in a good state of mind.I am just happy they
were able to find him and I feel most definately he is at peace.
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14:20:45
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Re getting a monitor.
I appreciate that getting a monitor in your local area might be very
difficult. It seems to me that this web site could link people together
who are looking for monitors. Surely RVers could try to monitor each
other over the internet using a chat program, even across Oceans!
Bill
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14:20:59
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The only problem with this is if your going to use voice alot of the
software at least the ones Ive tried
are buggy and how would you be able to write or draw while trying to
handle your computer you will loose concentration the same thing goes
for typing and mirc.
---Bill Pendergrass wrote:
>
> Re getting a monitor.
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Hi Edith,
Those are good points all right, but the software is getting better all
the time. And even in simple chat, I would think some monitoring would
be better than none.
Best Regards,
Bill
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I still am not comfortable with multiple ideograms. In my class and
subsequent homework sessions I did only one ideogram but I have seen
many samples of CRV/SRV/TRV methodologies where the viewer produced more
than one ideogram, not only at the beginning of the session but also
later during movements or sometimes apparently because it seemed the
thing to do to get more data.
When are additional ideograms required or helpfull?
Also it seem sthat some methodologies do not use an ideogram per se.
Would someone who does not use ideograms discuss their views on this
item?
Rich
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Bill Pendergrass wrote:
>
> Re getting a monitor.
>
> I appreciate that getting a monitor in your local area might be very
> difficult. It seems to me that this web site could link people together
> who are looking for monitors. Surely RVers could try to monitor each
> other over the internet using a chat program, even across Oceans!
>
> Bill
Has anyone tried monitoring over the internet using NetMeeting or some
such program?
Rich
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Edith:
Just a word of advice from us, after 36 years of working that kind of case...
If you want to avoid that type of problem, never agree to work with relatives
or non-official persons. Always ask to work with or 'feed' the information to
an official source, whether police or law enforcement of some kind. They
would have taken a closer look at what you got and may have asked your opinion
on whether the child was alive or dead.
This is 99% of the reason the Squad only works upon official request.
Should you be asked to work on another case,not by law enforcement, do try to
arrange to provide your results to an official source of some kind. This will
help you avoid being put on the spot, being misquoted,deliberately or
otherwise, or suffering embarrassment of this kind.
It is also much easier to tell an official source you believe or know the
sought-for person to be dead than it is to tell a relative or parent.
Some awfully well-meaning persons such as your friend seems to be have done
much to confuse the issue of crime work and psi; and done much to throw mud
into the gears. What do they say about the road to h.... ?
Sorry you got bollixed your first time out.
Bevy J
U.S. Psi Squad
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Edith:
Figure 8's on their sides are one of the universal symbols used by the
ancients to indicate the eternal or the wheel of life and death, etc. It has
been used for centuries, even millenniums and is often found carved intol
stones in an 'early-man' habitation site.
In your usage, it may well be a 'personal signature mark' of some kind, or a
sort of message 'signboard' that you will come to recognize over time.
Example: when I have a dream involving a tornado, it is a warning that things
are going to get very busy in a big hurry! :) (batten the hatches, sort of)
You'll have to observe when and where you get this figure 8 to find out what
it means to you.
Bevy J
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Hi Rich,
I'm Sandy, Liam's wife. I don't have much chance to join in but am on
vacation this week.
Thought I'd just share my ideogram experience with you. When I began RV, in
S1, my ideograms were simple and easily translated. For instance, land
would be a straight line; water a wavy line. So as I moved into more
complex sites, the ideograms multiplied. My brain and I have been closely
related for many years and she knows I need simple instruction. As I moved
through the stages I was able to handle more and more in an ideogram. Now I
usually get the whole physical structure right off; if I misinterpret or get
no B for S1, I can take it again and sometimes I get a simplistic ideogram.
Sometimes water, smoke, snow, and sand look the same in an ideogram. A's
would be across, wavy, flowing, soft. If I have no B and retake the
ideogram than with smoke I may get a smoke stack with broken lines. My
brain is saying 'this is smoke and there is no smoke stack'. Snow may have
a broken-lined ideogram of a mountain. This says there is no mountain, just
snow where a solid line means there is also a mountain. If I have a
structure I get a right angled line; a town will give me a series of right
angled lines; then if there is a mountain, land, water also; I will have an
ideogram with the entire gestalt. This is just the way my brain and I
communicate. This was after many, many sites and with a monitor who is a
structure lunatic. Really, I think he trained my little brain and I am just
the host for those two!!! I have had to let my right brain do the work and
keep my left side asleep. Being somewhat a control freak, this took many
hours of discussions with my head. Thanks for letting me ramble.
Sandy
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Thanks for the advice Bevy . I know logically it makes sense but at
the time I think alot of people were just responding to her plea for
help. I was not the only one to view this there were a few. But none
of us I guess stopped to think about the things you touched upon.It is
a good lesson and I will mention this to the others.
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The only problem with this is if your going to use voice alot of the
software at least the ones Ive tried
are buggy and how would you be able to write or draw while trying to
handle your computer you will loose concentration the same thing goes
for typing and mirc.
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>>
Figure 8's on their sides are one of the universal symbols used by the
ancients to indicate the eternal or the wheel of life and death, etc. >>
CAREFUL BEVY...the "Lazy " symbol is not universal among the "ancients"
(whoever they are) anymore than the wheel was...The Mayans and Aztec did njot
have wheeled vehicles...the Egyptians acquired the wheel from the
Phoenicians...not much was universal among the "ancients"...the idea of
"eternalness" was not even universal....the Lazy "8" did not exist in ancient
China but ""eternalness" did...so you see statements referring to the
mathmatic symbol of infinity should not be blanketed into something like a
deep limbic origin or something...ideograms, as noted by Liam in an earlier
message, are an individual thing...I know of no "universal" ideograms that
consistently show up during "Everyones" sessions...and after hundreds of
sessions, I guess statistically, I can state, it is unlikely there is one...
Gene..
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Dear Edith,
Hi. I just signed onto the list and saw your question and the answers
given, and thought I'd throw in a comment or two of my own.
As Liam and Gene said, there are no ideograms which appear to be common to
everyone. Even "land", which is a straight, horizontal line for most
people, comes out as all kinds of things for the "non-most". A student the
other day called and said that his ideogram for "land" has changed itself
to something that looks like a dot on too much caffeine - what should he do
about it? The answer, of course, is that it is the subconscious mind's way
of having the body tell you something. If that is the language it wants to
use, then let it. Most people overlook the fact that CRV, which uses
ideograms, etc. is as much a physical activity as mental. After all, you
are using the body to act as a "translator" between the subconscious and
conscious minds, which speak different languages and don't normally talk to
each other.
For that same reason, the "language" of your own ideograms only needs to be
(and only can be) understood by three people: You, on the conscious level,
you on the subconscious level, and you on the "body-mind" level. If
someone else starts trying to interpret your ideograms according to their
shape, it is an exercise in futility. People have tried to find generic
shapes for the ideograms, such as making a figure 8 into an infinity sign,
and supposing that it has common morphogenic meaning to the human species.
Such attempts at finding generic ideograms fail very rapidly. In spite of
our common heritage and spiritual one-ness, we are, at some basic level,
individuals. That is the level at which the ideograms appear to have their
functioning.
Besides, the meaning of the ideogram is rarely found in its shape, anyway.
It is almost always found in the accompanying "feeling component".
As to the question about whether an ideogram can show the presence of
spirituality or an afterlife... an ideogram is a word in your physical
language. If you develop a word (ideogram) for "spirituality", then your
ideogram language will include that word, and your subconscious mind can
use that ideogram to tell you about such a thing. It is a language. Like
any language, its vocabulary is whatever you develop it to be.
As to the response that was sent by Bevy J of the U.S. Psi Squad - you
should use the "CUT" feature and cut that bit of advice from your email
program, "PASTE" it into your word processor at a font size of about 99pt
(banner size) and make a printout of her advice you can place permanently
on your wall. It is probably the best advice you can get for working such
cases. Not only for the very good reasons she gives, but also for the fact
that working for/with the family members exposes you to all the emotions of
the case. That is a burden which you then carry through the session with
you as you work, and it can destroy your success. If the family won't
accept any other reason for your not dealing with them directly, tell them
that it is our of concern for the victim...so you can do a better job for
the missing child. That is true, but they usually don't realize it. Work
only through the police or other professional organizations. Not only will
your work be better received and interpreted, but the lack of emotional
baggage will give it greater quality, as well.
Lyn Buchanan, Problems Solutions Innovations
37 Camino Ranchitos, Alamogordo, New Mexico 88310 (505) 437-8285
Check out our web page at http://www.crviewer.com
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At 10:49 PM 7/22/98 -0400, Rich wrote:
>I still am not comfortable with multiple ideograms.(snip)
(snip)
>When are additional ideograms required or helpfull?
>Also it seems that some methodologies do not use an ideogram per se.
>Would someone who does not use ideograms discuss their views on this
>item?
>Rich
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Dear Rich,
I use ideograms, since they are an essential part of the CRV process, so
can't address your last request. However, let me try to address the first 2:
I, personally, am more prone to using simple ideograms. (Remember, this
is a language, and just like clauses in English, there are 3 kinds of
ideograms: simple, compound and complex). I personally like taking the
coordinates over and over until all the simple ideograms which are
appropriate to the site have come out. Then, when an ideogram starts to
repeat, I know that my mind is saying, "That's all there is". I can then
proceed into P2 with confidence that I have narrowed the session down to
its basic components. Some people, however, like to take the coordinates
once and get all the simple ideograms out in one compound or complex blast.
It is all a matter of personal working techniques. If you are
uncomfortable with compound and complex ideograms, then don't use them.
>When are additional ideograms required or helpfull?
Let me use an analogy: Let's say that you are blindfolded and told that
you will be taken somewhere, and when the blindfold is removed, you are to
simply describe the first person you see. Simple tasking.
Let's let that be an analogy for the process of telling you that you will
be given some coordinates, and you are to then describe the target which is
at the coordinate location. Same simple tasking.
Now, in the analogy, we blindfold you and take you to the location, then
yank the blindfold off. You know that your task is to describe the first
person you see. Your first natural tendency, though, will not be to look
for a person. Your first tendency will be to answer the inner question,
"Where am I?"
In like manner, when I give you coordinates for a target, your subconscious
mind already knows that the target is, say, an event at the location.
However, there is also a natural drive for your subconscious mind to ask,
"Where am I?" It will therefore, come up with gestaltic ideograms which
are the natural process of it getting its bearings. In other words, it
will naturally come up with the ideogram for the target, but place it into
its proper surroundings - with the accompanying ideograms. This is both a
natural and necessary process which helps your subconscious mind "get on
target". Don't fight against it. Once you understand the process, you can
work with it to get on target faster and better. It is a good thing.
Lyn Buchanan, Problems Solutions Innovations
37 Camino Ranchitos, Alamogordo, New Mexico 88310 (505) 437-8285
Check out our web page at http://www.crviewer.com
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Hmmmm....
Gene, time to crack that Joseph Campbell's "The Power of Myths" and et. al. You
might be surprised.
electrix
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Hello...Lyn...bout time you popped into the discussions here...thanx for
affirming the idea of ideograms being individuellagrams...hmmm...I like
that...I claim it...nobody else can use it...I will market that word and make
my forturn in RV...hahahah.... Anyhow..glad to see you and your comments...
Gene...
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Hello Sandy,
Are ideograms really a form of automatic drawing? They sure sound like
it. In other words, is your mind blank when you draw ideograms and the
pencil just moves, or do you draw something you see in your mind?
Bill
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Yes but if you were taught by an instructor that wavy represents water
or land right angles represent man made structures and loops represent
LFs wouldn't some peoples subconcious start producing standard ideos.
It's like learning any new language if your told that a loop equals a
LF your sub will pick up on LF and draw a loop because that is what
you've been taught represents that gestalt. I realize that every
individual is not the same that is obvious but it would be interesting
if a standard language was or could be developing something akin to
the 100th monkey effect.
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Regarding doing 'Operational' targets such as the boys' deaths.
I was taught to do a timeline once an event or activity target type was
percieved.
This then allows for the start and end of the event timeline. You can then
do the timeline move to the significant time during the event/activity.
This would leave you with a line with three markers for time referencing.
More importantly, you could then 'move' to before the significant time and
probe and wait for the emotions and record them. THEN 'move' to after the
significant time and probe the EI column for emotions. The successful
sessions will yield significantly different emotions from the 'target' when
there has been a change in the person and clairifys whether death or some
other change has occurred (per my CRV training as best I recall)
At least you may give it a try if you continue the 'operational' target
activity. I'll bet Gene can add regarding time moves on event/activity
targets as well.
David.
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Sandy, that was a great run on the development of the ideograms connection with
the personal mind set and points up why it doesn't work well to use a list...
You had
to sweat it out and develop your own language...which involved conscious
instruction
to and cooperation with your subconscious. I'm inspired to do more clarifying
work on my own ideograms.
Thanks,
Shelia
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>>
Hmmmm....
Gene, time to crack that Joseph Campbell's "The Power of Myths" and et. al.
You
might be surprised.
>>
No I won't...
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>>
Yes but if you were taught by an instructor that wavy represents water
or land right angles represent man made structures and loops represent
LFs >>
...then this instructors name would be Courtney Brown and you need to duck
cause lots of comets may be headed your way....an ideogram is a gut feeling
that indicates an initial sense of signals arriving from a target...the
concepts may change due ot a number of circumstances...would a nice beach
scene at Miami and the stark sheer Cliffs of Moher in Ireland be the same
ideogram?...huhhhhhhhhh....well why not..they are both land water
interfaces...but maybe the target is not the land water interface but rather
the large tower near Moher or a large tower hotel near Miami...what do you
think the ideogram might show...huhhhhhhhh?....stop looking for shortcuts and
neatly wrapped up solutions...they are simply not there...RV is magic and does
not lend itself well to scientific analysis or Dewew Decimal filing systems
for ideograms....
Gene Kincaid...
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>>
At least you may give it a try if you continue the 'operational' target
activity. I'll bet Gene can add regarding time moves on event/activity
targets as well.
David.
---- >>
Yes Gene can...forget the timelines...sorry...they are not necessary...when
you want a viewer to go to a specific time at a specific target...trust in the
magic..it will not let you down...If I want a viewer to go to the site of the
Crucifixion at the point of the Crucifixion...I might tell them to go to the
coordinate when nothing is occuring...when they describe the site to my
pleasure...I might then simply say "Ok...do some time skipping back and
forward...not much..just look over your shoulder or a little ahead until you
come to the time I want you to be....THAT IS ALL IT TAKES for a trained viewer
with a trained monitor...that is all IT EVER takes...the magic takes over and
will move them either forward or backward in time to the point where the
Crucifixion took place and they will begin describing the
events...incidentally...warning for all the folks who are just experimenting
or were trained by the Courtney Browns of the world...DO NOT ATTEMPT TO LOOK
HIGHER THAN THE FEET at the cross...it will be a little disturbing and you
will not be able to move your eyes any higher anyhow but the rudesness of your
being propelled from your RV state may be a little unnerving and even a little
dangerous if you are not careful...you can actually fall over backwards in
your chair....now I know you will want to do this now...expecially the folks
who alleged specialize in past event viewing...YOU WERE WARNED...!!!!
Gene Kincaide...
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Sometimes (a whole lot really) I have found myself just going
through the motions
of the ideogram. It doesnt really have the automatic response feel
to it, but I know that I am
supposed to create one, so I have found myself consciously creating
one. I havent really noticed that much of a difference with the
results of my sessions, In fact I have I had some pretty good
sessions. Any suggestions on how to correct this, or does it really
need to be corrected?
Nice to hear from you again Lyn.
David Moore
Moore@...
WWW.CL.UH.EDU/POLICE/
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>DO NOT ATTEMPT TO LOOK HIGHER THAN THE FEET at the cross...it will be
>a little disturbing and you will not be able to move your eyes any
>higher anyhow ...[remainder snipped]
Why can't you? Please don't take offense at my question..and I'm sorry
in advance if it's one of those stupid ones, but I'm genuinely curious.
Why can't you look any higher? Also, if you would be so kind...I'm a non-
RVer, so use little words ;-)
Siochain,
Vikki
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> [snip]...I know of no "universal" ideograms that
> consistently show up during "Everyones" sessions...and after hundreds of
> sessions, I guess statistically, I can state, it is unlikely there is one...
> Gene..
>
So that everybody has finally to develop a very personnal vocabulary based on
ideograms.
Could anybody please tell us from his/her experience on that precise point
- if there is a big difference (statistically) between the volume/corpus of
ideograms used/developed by a RV top level expert (like Joe, for example, or
others in the military) and that used/developed by a newbie ? Is the rate 1/2,
1/10, 1/100, more ?
- if a RV top-expert continues to develop new ideograms, due to his/her new
needs, or not ?
- what is the average volume of ideograms developed by top level expert, from
your experience ? 50, 100, 500, 3000, more ?
nb : it is common to find a basic dictionnary in chinese language with around 18
000 "words".
Thanks
Jean-Luc.
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>Are ideograms really a form of automatic drawing? They sure sound like
>it. In other words, is your mind blank when you draw ideograms and the
>pencil just moves, or do you draw something you see in your mind?
>
>Bill
Hi Bill,
A little background; in the early '70s I was heavily involved in the
Charismatic movement with a priest. Automatic writing came natural as well
as some other 'gifts'. Looking back, it worked for me along the lines of
RV. I think they were strongly connected through the right brain. I became
in tuned to my subconscious. When I began structured RV, I believe it was
off of the same signal line, and my brain knew what I was looking for. I
really 'see' nothing, just put the pen to paper and 'guide' the pen. It's
a feeling rather than a visual . The work came in
training my subconscious into passing me discernable information. When I
trace over lines on the ideogram, I could 'feel' if it were i.e., soft,
hard, flowing, up, down . Now I can feel when I draw the
ideogram. An
example was land/water interface. I would get a wavy line and a
solid line . Then I had this ideogram that had a half circle with a
straight line
on each side. I knew it was land and water but no wavy
lines. It was a bay with water on one side and land on the other of the
half circle. It was looking down at the bay. I always get this ideogram
for bay.
The first time I did an island, it gave me a circle. I could put my pen on
the inside and feel 'hard'; on the outside and feel wavy. I became cocky
and each time I would get a circle, rather than go for the feeling, I
assumed it was an island . Then I worked a site,
took the coordinates, drew a circle and called it an 'island'. Liam said,
'Take it again' and after the third time, there came wavy lines in my
circle. It was water, a lake. So if I put my pen in the middle of the
circle, I can feel which it is.
I have had to work hard at keeping my left brain out of here. To keep from
translating my ideograms into logic.A structure, for instance, will b e
right
angled lines which indicates for i.e., man made structure. I worked an
Indian ruins build into the side of a mountain. The ideogram was an up
down mountain with a right angled structure inside. My left brain
translated
this as a cabin in the mountains. (I'm part Blackfoot Indian so I loved it
there
and 'assumed' it was nature.) My subconscious was trying to tell me it was
man made out of natural material. So now I get a broken lined right angle
for natural, man made. Some ideograms I sent my brain and others my
brain sent me. I think it is a two way street, speaking for myself and my
brain.
When I get more to an ideogram than I can handle, I can call 'too much
break' and take it again. It will usually break it down for me and knows I
will take it how ever many times to get all of the gestalt. I spent hours
on making simple ideograms, communicating with my brain. I did drills over
and over. When I decode a multiple ideogram, I take the coordinates again,
if I have called something incorrectly or I missed something important,
I get it back until it is correct. This happens because I retake the
coordinates as instructed by the mean, old, monitor.
I also work a S4.5 which Liam needs to explain. This is something that I
just kept doing naturally and it works for me. I do not do a structured S4
but after S3 I have automatic writings which encompasses S4, only in a
narrative. From the very beginning, I would write the S4 headings across
the top of the paper and begin a narrative. (I don't use the headings
anymore.)
(I'm almost finished, LOL) I practice some Native Ceremonies and
Spirituality. Smudging is a form of
praying. I always Smudge before a session, this somehow helps me to lock
on. I meditate and go to my Sanctuary as well. For me, and this is speaking
strictly for myself, the more in tune I am with, lets say, a Spiritual
space, the better I lock on. I think when I 'prepare' correctly, it somehow
tells my left brain to go to sleep and I move into right brain. This is
only in the recent years I have done this. In the beginning though, I would
meditate and spend some time in sanctuary first. I really TRY not to
complicate this whole thing, just take what comes along. I think like some
others here, this is just magic. Some of it is hard to explain so I can
only tell you how it works for me. (Bet you won't ask me anymore
questions.)
Thanks for letting me share.
Sandy
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Figure eights
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/477)
14:25:53
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...DO NOT ATTEMPT TO LOOK
> HIGHER THAN THE FEET at the cross...it will be a little disturbing and you
> will not be able to move your eyes any higher anyhow but the rudesness of your
> being propelled from your RV state may be a little unnerving and even a little
> dangerous if you are not careful...you can actually fall over backwards in
> your chair....now I know you will want to do this now...expecially the folks
> who alleged specialize in past event viewing...YOU WERE WARNED...!!!!
>
> Gene Kincaide...
Gene,
Thanks for the warning,
but....as probably tens of our friends on this list, I would love now to hear
about what *you* 've discovered "higher than the feet at the cross" to give us
such a recommandation.
Would you be so kind as to share what you've *personnaly* found up there ?
If this is out of this list purpose I'd more than happy to get your datas by
direct E-mail.
Thanks in advance,
Jean-Luc
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Figure eights
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/478)
14:26:05
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>>
Why can't you? Please don't take offense at my question..and I'm sorry
in advance if it's one of those stupid ones, but I'm genuinely curious.
Why can't you look any higher? Also, if you would be so kind...I'm a non-
RVer, so use little words ;-)
Siochain,
Vikki >>
Vikki: It is part of the magic...religious sites do not lend themselves to
RV. I am a Roman Catholic and I have found that anytime I want to humble and
smartass viewer who begins to think they know it all, I simply provide them
Calvary on the day of the Crucifixion. I have seen Viewers so suddenly thrown
from their altered state that they get tossed from the bed or sofa on which
they are reclining. In my opinion, RV is most certainly one of the gifts
provided by a benevolent God and abusing it carries a heavy fine...(like
playing the lotteries incidentally...but again that is my humble
opinion...don't want to get those heathens in Hawaii after me
again...hahah)...at any rate since you asked, I will simply say that viewing
the face of what I perceived to be God is not possible for a living human
therefore you will not be permitted to view higher than the feet of the
Crucifixion. Which of course, will cause lots of people who read this to "try
me onb"..sheeezzzz....Oh well...
Gene Kincaid...
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Figure eights
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/479)
14:26:14
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>>
Thanks for the warning,
but....as probably tens of our friends on this list, I would love now to hear
about what *you* 've discovered "higher than the feet at the cross" to give
us
such a recommandation. >>
As noted in a previous answer to someone else on the net on this same
question...I have found nothing for the same reason as I told the other
person...I am not priviledged enough to be able to look higher than the
feet...hell I am not even a very good Viewer...second best Monitor in the
world..but not a very good viewer...viewing the face of God (any God) is not a
priviledge of RV...it is an abuse of the gift of RV given to mankind by
God...I view playing lotteries and Las Vegas with RV to be equally an abuse of
the gift knowing full well that the crew in Hawaii will now attempt to take my
head again...oh well....I also know there will be a dozen hot shots out there
who will take this as a challenge and come back with all sorts of stories
about how THEY had no problems and BTW here is a description of Jesus or
Mohamed..oh well again...whatever makes their little hearts beat
regular...hahaha
Gene...
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Please Invite
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/480)
14:26:23
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I know this is probably not the right place to ask but I am not always that
"proper" in my conduct..Anyhow..attached Email address is a young Dutch lady
who has become an accomplished viewer under the tutalage of Liam and
Sandy...She uses CRV and works in Reiki 5 concepts as well as some other
pretty neat things...She would be an excellent resource for the net...speaks
perfect English so there will not be a language problem...Steve...don't let
her go...the net will benefit from her input...
Regards...Gene..
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Figure eights
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/481)
14:26:34
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f all concerned will look back at my Post on figure 8s, originally, I
specified to Edith that the symbol glossary was peculiar to the viewer.
There was no mention that all viewers 'got' that symbol, I certainly never
have in my 35 years of viewing.
As far as I know, the tornado symbols is also peculiar only to my own DEW
system.
Bevy J
Ps: You need not have developed the wheel to draw a circle, a figure 8 or a
recurved spiral, all of which have similar bases in the psyche.
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Figure eights/Lyn's input
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/482)
14:26:43
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lol thanks Lyn.
I would assume that 99 point type would be big enough for even my poor vision
to see well. :)
Hope all will take the advice we both gave. It wards off a ton of trouble.
:) Lyn
Bevy J
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Please Invite
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/483)
14:26:55
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>perfect English so there will not be a language problem...Steve...don't
let
>her go...the net will benefit from her input... Hi Gene, The best way to
invite a person to the Star Gate list is for people to
write to their friends/contacts themselves, and give them this address:
stargate-subscribe@..., and ask them to send a blank email to that
address (or just fill it with gibberish; either way, the contents don't matter
as they're ignored and not even read.)
I will send an invite if you prefer, or you may do so (let me know by
private
email which you'd prefer.) However, technically, my inviting a person or
them receiving an invite from a friend does not make much difference,
it takes just as long to process.
But anyway, thanks for the address! New members are always welcome,
providing they're reasonably polite and respectful to other list
members. I just provide this info here in case others were thinking
of posting other addresses on the list. You're the best person to
invite your friends to join, really.
Everyone's welcome here, though!
Best always,
Steve.
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
working the targets?
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/484)
14:27:17
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>STOP!!! Before this gets going down the wrong roads...You will not be
able to
>use the computer to monitor CRV sessions...Ain't gonna
happen!...PERIOD...............
For about two years now I have been developing some protocols
>(hit and miss) whereby I train and conduct sessions with Viewers using
only
>computer Email connections. I recently put a set of coordinates on the
Site
>and got back two sets of excellent results.
Well Gene I guess you are only partly correct. OBVIOUSLY YOU MUST be the
only one who can monitor over the internet.
Best Regards,
Bill Pendergrass
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Figure eights
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/485)
14:27:28
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>Vikki: It is part of the magic...religious sites do not lend
>themselves to RV.
Thank you, Gene for explaining this. It has, however, brought another
question to mind. I'm not trying to be argumentative, just trying to
understand. Please feel free to say, "Oh! hush up, Vikki" ;-)
Here's the question..please don't throw anything heavy..Wouldn't the
site coordinates, that you gave not too long ago, be considered a
religious site? Terri seemed to have been able to view that and provide
quite a bit of information.
>I am a Roman Catholic and I have found that anytime I want to humble
>and smartass viewer who begins to think they know it all, I simply
>provide them Calvary on the day of the Crucifixion. I have seen
>Viewers so suddenly thrown from their altered state that they get
>tossed from the bed or sofa on which they are reclining.
Has anyone ever suggested that you might have a teensy bit of an onery
streak? ;-) All kidding aside..This too raises another question..I was
raised in a Roman Catholic environment as well. My teachers and priests
were from the Franciscan Order, a very gentle and loving group of
people. I was wondering if the way you were taught the specific
doctrine might come into play regarding being able to view beyond the
feet? Of course this is all speculative on my part and I have no
experience to base any of this on..just a pondering.
>I will simply say that viewing
>the face of what I perceived to be God is not possible for a living
>human therefore you will not be permitted to view higher than the feet
>of the Crucifixion.
Do you believe that to be true for everyone..okay stupid question, you
just stated as much..let me rephrase it..if someone didn't believe that
Jesus was the son of God (I mean truly deep in their heart didn't
believe it) do you think they would have the same outcome? Or would it
then become similar to the site you gave before and they would be able
to view it as there wasn't a theological reason that prevented it?
>Which of course, will cause lots of people who read this to "try
>me onb"..sheeezzzz....Oh well...
Perhaps they'll heed your warning and sit on the floor to try ;-)
Thanks again for taking the time to explain this to me. It is
appreciated.
Siochain,
Vikki
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Figure eights
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/486)
14:27:39
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>> >>
Thanks for the warning,
but....as probably tens of our friends on this list, I would love now to
hear
about what *you* 've discovered "higher than the feet at the cross" to give
us
such a recommandation. >>
GENE WRITES.....
As noted in a previous answer to someone else on the net on this same
question...I have found nothing for the same reason as I told the other
person...I am not priviledged enough to be able to look higher than the
feet...hell I am not even a very good Viewer...second best Monitor in the
world..but not a very good viewer...viewing the face of God (any God) is not
a
priviledge of RV... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Gene, as you know we have vastly different viewpoints, in certain areas,
sheesh... since when did you become #2 monitor...
Heck, I want a refund, I thought I had the worlds greatest...
(by the way, you'll have a hard time convincing me your not)
You wrote
" ...I am not priviledged enough to be able to look higher than the
feet... "
This is MY viewpoint, its not so much the "privilege" of being able to see
the body, (the face) whatever, above the feet,
its the tumultuous rolling swirling
extreme mass of intense energy that surrounds it (the body) , we just flat
cant
comprehend/understand it. Thats all there is to it we just cant understand it,
(our main viewpoint right now being physical)
and I think you will gain more insights out getting the Dead Sea scrolls
realeased/translated from Claremont College, Calif.
(last I heard this is where they were at, or held prisoner)
... than to (try) view God or Jesus.
The energies surrounding the body, a large crew of them, seem mostly to
have not have a physical life incarnation, so non physical energies, which are
for me near impossible to communicate with, or receive communication from.
For me to simply sense on the outside of these energies barely barely 'feel' ,
is like being put in a clothes dyer, shut the door, light goes off,
physical boundaries disappear, and you are rollin and tumbling, physical
anchor
points gone, no ups nor downs, ins nor outs... takes your breath away,
heck you dont have any there :-) but never ever was I under the
impression that I was trespassing on too holly or sacred ground...
but then again maybe I missed that part....
I just couldn't understand, the energy... so why sit in it?
My week-distorted-uncomprehending perspective of God, the creator, or
the initiator as I call the energy source, is, If you saw 'it' him in a
physical form,
dressed in a long robe.. well I feel I am on the bottom hem ... or
kindergarten.
I am of this 'energy"... yes... ummm, or perhaps nothing but a viewpoint it
has put out :-) a baby..... the physical universe creation (school?) is
wonderful?,
because we do have so many points to view, so many viewpoints to exchange,
so we do, and compound and combine and create, and create..
Thats my 2 cents... (as someone told me once I had no common sense :-)
~T~
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Jesus crucifixion day
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/487)
14:29:09
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Curran2106@... wrote:
> ....I also know there will be a dozen hot shots out there
> who will take this as a challenge and come back with all sorts of stories
> about how THEY had no problems and BTW here is a description of Jesus or
> Mohamed..oh well again...whatever makes their little hearts beat
> regular...hahaha
> Gene...
Dear friends,
Hope those of you not interested in the following will forgive me to pass it on
this list.
But I'm sure we have RV pearls on this forum and I, personaly, would appreciate
very much what you, dear friends, could share by RVing "Jesus at the crucifixion
day". I'd love to share our views if any, from the rver point of view, just for
the pleasure to approach elements of interesting past realities. I know, I know
we'll probably exchange lot of Stray Cats and other imagination's fables.
Doesn't
matter.Let's just see if we get common items or not, clichés or new things, in
the
calm and respect of the target.
I can understand that the exchange of such RVing results may eventualy be off
topic of this list, or boring to some extent. So, if somebody's interested,
please
feel free to send me eventualy your inputs privately if you feel it's better.
My starting questions are :
Do you know a good remote viewer whos has done this kind of session before ?
Are his/her resultats available on the net ?
Now *from your experience* is Jesus rather tall, rather medium, or small ?
From * your experience* what colour were His hair ? How long were they ?
From *your experience*, what colour were His eyes ?
How was his nose ? His skin ?
How was he built [slender, average, heavy] ?
Can you give more details to get a profile ?
My E-mail is : hm15@...
and I'll be grateful to any contributor.
Warm regards
Jean-Luc
Thanks Steve (and Gene, who opened the box) to give us such an opportunity,
Hope you enjoy,
and, no...I know I wasn't on the target location at the target's time.
No challenge here, just one more experience to share for those interested in ;-)
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
working the targets?
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/488)
14:29:21
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>>
Well Gene I guess you are only partly correct. OBVIOUSLY YOU MUST be the
only one who can monitor over the internet.
>>
Folks need to read my posting a little closer...everyone once in a while I do
have something of value to say...in this case, I distinctly noted that I teach
and monitor ERV...repeat ERV not CRV repeat CRV...got it...now read my post
again and you will see that I noted you cannot monitor CRV by computer..but I
am working on protocols for monitoring ERV by computer...I figured a PHD would
be able to discern the single letter difference and the impact it makes on the
posting since the same PHD was quick enough to let me know just how important
8% was in "scientific terms..."...STOP IT GENE!!! You will only get Steve bad
at you again...Sorry. Bill...but do read my posting a bit closer in the
future...
Gene...
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Figure eights
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/489)
14:30:06
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>> Here's the question..please don't throw anything heavy..Wouldn't the
site coordinates, that you gave not too long ago, be considered a
religious site? Terri seemed to have been able to view that and provide
quite a bit of information.
>>
Yes...it was a religious site...and neither individual actually moved to the
center of the "energy" related to this site....Terri is very adept at finding
these energies and relishes the opportunity to allow these energies to move
through her but that is not the same as positively "looking" at them...
Gene...(duck!!!!!!)
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Figure eights
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/490)
14:30:17
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Terri (my former student - now moving on to greater goals)..has stated it much
better than my Catholic guilt upbringing can...Yes, you can attempt to move
your eyes up the Crucifix but the energies of this site will blur and diminish
any positive analysis or descriptions...especially liked her analogy of
getting inside a washing machine ... great stuff ... Terri also noted the
various problems associated with religious sites in that these energies can be
overwhelming...this is also true...and often when a viewer is at a religious
site, that is about all you can expect to get from the viewer is a whirl of
data which does not make much sense....BTW...Terri did have the 2nd best
monitor in the world...Skip Atwater being the best..he taught me...but not to
worry, if you want your money back Terri, I will give you every cent you
paid...hahahahha
For those of you who may be interested, Terri has "graduated" magna cum laude
from my training and is not working practice targets with me so that we can
both perfect the concept of monitoring by computer....She is also going to
attempt some other endeavors related to RV which I am not at liberty to
mention but are indicative of her skills...I did a great job in teaching
her...but even old arrogant me cannot take credit for where she is moving in
this thing we call RV...Watch out folks...new star on the horizon...
Gene...
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Figure eights
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/491)
14:30:38
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>Yes...it was a religious site...and neither individual actually
>moved to the center of the "energy" related to this site.... move
>through her but that is not the same as positively "looking" at them...
You are referring to the energy Terri said she felt was in the ground or
had been at one time, yes? I see the difference in what you are saying.
View is not equal to look.....got it!
>Gene...(duck!!!!!!)
Oh, Man! Who's gonna clean THAT up?!?! ;-)
Siochain,
Vikki
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
automatic writing vs ideogram
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/492)
14:30:48
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Hi Sandy!
Thanks for the really excellent response to my question and more (
smile). Being very analytical my left brain invades right brain
activities like psi and after figuring out what the right brain is
doing, "simulates" a right brain response. I doubt that I'm the only
one that has this problem, and you Sandy sound like someone who might
have some answer. This results in getting a positive string of hits in
psi work when I first start say with a pendulum, or cards, or dowsing
but then the left brain analyzes the signal from my right brain and
simulates it producing bogus answers. So I have to keep changing
techniques. (The only thing that is proofed against this is reading
auras and disease states in the aura as taught by Rob Abbott, but that
may relate to the much higher psychic energy involved in disease
states.) I've even considered ( in the name of science only) trying
some drugs. But if you have a magic ceremony that does the same thing
please write me. I'm a little unclear if I got all of that smoke
ceremony down correctly.
Best Regards
( and you have a neat w
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Jesus crucifixion day
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/493)
14:30:58
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In a message dated 98-07-24 16:11:22 EDT, you write:
>>
My starting questions are :
Do you know a good remote viewer whos has done this kind of session before ?
Are his/her resultats available on the net ?
Now *from your experience* is Jesus rather tall, rather medium, or small ?
From * your experience* what colour were His hair ? How long were they ?
From *your experience*, what colour were His eyes ?
How was his nose ? His skin ?
How was he built [slender, average, heavy] ?
Can you give more details to get a profile ?
My E-mail is : hm15@...
and I'll be grateful to any contributor.
>>
See I TOLD YOU!!!...nobody believes the old elephants...oh well..Ya'll have a
good time...sheeezzzz...
Gene......
----
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Figure eights
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/494)
14:31:12
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Gene...(duck!!!!!!) >>
. . . . . . ok this is Terri talking now.
It helps me I think in my RVing, my viewpoint, well I dont want to offend
anyone here, you may have figured this out already,
I dont think I have a religious, Christian religion (choose whatever type)
bone in my body.... but then again maybe in my pinkie or baby toe :-)
I have beliefs or I would not be here in the physical. I have agreed to
believe.
I believe :-) something (we, all of us, creator) created the physical, and
just
sort of said well here ya go, have fun... On the OTHER hand are we all
dreaming...??
~Terri~ R O T F L
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Jesus crucifixion day
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/495)
14:31:31
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Hi all; Liam here.
>
>But I'm sure we have RV pearls on this forum and I, personally, would
appreciate
>very much what you, dear friends, could share by RVing "Jesus at the
crucifixion
>day". I'd love to share our views if any, from the RVer point of view,
Sorry Jean Luc, the basic rule of RVing (at least in the world according to
Liam) is if you know what you are RVing, then you cannot RV it. The only
thing you are viewing then is your imagination.
>
>
>My starting questions are :
>Do you know a good remote viewer whos has done this kind of session before
?
In approximately 1986, Skip Atwater worked me on this site as a practice
site. We worked it single blind. Skip, the monitor, knew what the site
was. I worked blind. Gene acknowledges Skip as the greatest monitor in the
world. At the time I had been involved in remote viewing eight hours a day,
five days a week for approximately three years, Paul and I were doing the
majority of the viewing for the project. Not trying to brag, just trying to
validate we had a competent team working the site. We worked it CRV. Early
in S4 a Tangible of Cross came in. Intangibles of sacred, somber, and a
whole lot of very heavy, somber feeling. I focussed first on the soldiers
guarding the site (I am a soldier at heart and find I have a lot in common
with other soldiers, regardless of time or nationality) I also identified a
woman at the foot of the cross, his mother. I knew there was a body on the
cross, but I was not able to view it. . I could not pick up any of His
last words. I did pick up his concern for his mother. I was able to pick
up a lot of what the other people around were feeling, but as for that body
on the cross.....it was beyond me (I did have a distinct impression however;
that He was Irish).
Now, I may be just another superstitious Irishman, but like Gene, I believe
that God (anybody's God) is unviewable. Jean Luc, I cannot imagine what
difference it makes if Christ was short, tall, fat, or thin (I already told
you he was Irish, so you know he was good looking). I have no problem with
anyone trying to view the crucifixion. I just do not believe you will have
a whole lot of success in viewing Christ. It has been my experience in
life,
that God is not in the business of satisfying my curiosity.
slainte
May the force be with you
Liam>
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Jesus crucifixion day
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/496)
14:31:53
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In response to all these questions (which arose despite Gene's assertion that
dieties cannot be seen with RV):
> My starting questions are :
> Do you know a good remote viewer whos has done this kind of session before ?
> Are his/her resultats available on the net ?
> Now *from your experience* is Jesus rather tall, rather medium, or small ?
> From * your experience* what colour were His hair ? How long were they ?
> From *your experience*, what colour were His eyes ?
> How was his nose ? His skin ?
> How was he built [slender, average, heavy] ?
> Can you give more details to get a profile ?
... an exasperated Gene then wrote:
> See I TOLD YOU!!!...nobody believes the old elephants...oh well..Ya'll have
a
> good time...sheeezzzz...
> Gene......
I thought that Joe McMoneagle was once tasked on Jesus ... (OK, so maybe he
didn't see him, I dunno ...) All I read about was his remark: "Whatever you
think this guy did -- he didn't do it!"
Anyone know any more about this?
-- John Burke
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Figure eights
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/497)
14:32:10
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>Yes but if you were taught by an instructor that wavy represents water
>or land right angles represent man made structures and loops represent
>LFs wouldn't some peoples subconcious start producing standard ideos.
>It's like learning any new language if your told that a loop equals a
>LF your sub will pick up on LF and draw a loop because that is what
>you've been taught represents that gestalt. I realize that every
>individual is not the same that is obvious but it would be interesting
>if a standard language was or could be developing something akin to
>the 100th monkey effect.
I won't comment on what that says about that instructor's knowledge of the
subject. Let me go on instead and say that there is some "trainability" to
the subconscious mind, but not a lot. Can you train it to standardize on 5
ideograms? Maybe so. A few more? Maybe so. But a whole language of
ideograms? If you can train your subconscious mind to do that, you can
make a better living running an obedience school for cats than you can
doing CRV.
That isn't to say that the 100th monkey effect isn't playing a part. I
know that most people, for example, draw a straight line for "land".
That's no surprise. Nor is a wavy line for "water". But as for why the
majority of people draw a circle for "space" and an angle for "manmade"...
I think the 100th monkey effect may be kicking in at least a little.
Beyond those basics, though, each student generally comes up with something
different.
Add to that the fact that, about a year into doing ideograms, your
subconscious mind will have a tendency to say, "OH! I see what we're doing
now!" and decide to get things organized. It changes a significant number
of your ideograms to suit its own likes and dislikes and then you have to
go through a time of relearning the revised set. Add to that the fact that
it will probably happen again, to a lesser extent, after about another
year, before settling down into a truely dependable set of ideograms, and
you can see the problem. This tends to happen even to those people who
have been told what their ideograms will look like. That instructor may
not have been doing ideograms long enough to be aware of this little tendency.
Maybe some day there will be such a union of human minds that ideograms
will automatically standardize. That would really be a nice thing to
happen. But at this stage in our history, for an instructor to tell you
what your subconscious mind will and won't do - well, I don't want to be
offensive to anyone, but like I say, that tells me more about that
instructor's knowledge of the subject than I care to know. My apologies if
that offends. I really don't mean for it to.
Lyn Buchanan, Problems Solutions Innovations
37 Camino Ranchitos, Alamogordo, New Mexico 88310 (505) 437-8285
Check out our web page at http://www.crviewer.com
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Figure eights
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/498)
14:32:23
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At 06:51 PM 7/23/98 -0700, David Hathcock wrote about timelines:
I would like to add to David's great advice that if you treat a "timeline"
as though it were just a very highly structured ideogram... gaining
feelings from it as you go, it works very well.
David continued:
>At least you may give it a try if you continue the 'operational' target
>activity. I'll bet Gene can add regarding time moves on event/activity
>targets as well.
You will find that Gene is very experienced in this and can be very helpful.
Lyn Buchanan, Problems Solutions Innovations
37 Camino Ranchitos, Alamogordo, New Mexico 88310 (505) 437-8285
Check out our web page at http://www.crviewer.com
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Indivuellagrams
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/499)
14:32:38
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At 06:19 PM 7/23/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Hello...Lyn...bout time you popped into the discussions here...thanx for
>affirming the idea of ideograms being individuellagrams...hmmm...I like
>that...I claim it...nobody else can use it...I will market that word and make
>my forturn in RV...hahahah.... Anyhow..glad to see you and your comments...
>Gene...
Well, I guess the rest of us are stuck with personalograms or something
like that. Tell you what... If we steal it from you, we'll use quote marks.
Lyn Buchanan, Problems Solutions Innovations
37 Camino Ranchitos, Alamogordo, New Mexico 88310 (505) 437-8285
Check out our web page at http://www.crviewer.com
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
working the targets?
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/500)
14:32:51
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Re: [stargate] working the targets?
The discussion of working the targets using form pages somehow turned into
a discussion on monitoring. Well, if I'm gonna be on the list, let me
throw in my 2cents worth on these, too.
As Angela Thompson said, the form pages are both good reminders of what
other categories of information you could go after, but they are also
confining. As for the limited use of vocabulary, I thought that Ed Dames
was the only one doing something like that. I guess that got around to
Courtney (Ed's student) and then was passed on even further. What a
mistake. The impressions should come from within, not from a laundry list.
Anyway, I won't comment too much on the Monitor bit, except for Gene's
excellent blast... I agree that there is NO substitute for having a monitor
- if, that is, it is a well trained monitor. IMO, though, if the monitor
is poorly trained, or not trained at all, you're generally better off
without one. Then you will only have your own AOLs to contend with, not
the monitor's, too.
If you train your own monitor and don't know the professional principles of
monitoring, PLEASE train them to do the following things:
1) give the coordinates and then shut up.
2) tell you the page number when you go to the next page (so you don't have
to break your concentration),.... then shut up.
3) if they ever get the thought in their head, "Ooooh! I know what it
is!!!", to not just shut up, but to leave the room to do it.
4) in all other cases, just shut up.
The monitoring job is enormously more difficult and intricate than the
viewing job. As a viewer, all you have to do is get a perception and write
it down - not doing more is the hard part. A monitor is responsible for
reading the viewer's moods, micromovements, taking in-session notes without
disturbing the viewer, keeping strict control over any on-lookers in the
room, setting up the room in the first place, watching the viewer's
adherance to structure, keeping the viewer in structure without leading or
feeding the viewer any information, etc. etc. etc. The list of
responsibilities goes on and on. There are so many parts of the monitor's
job which must be done by direct interaction with the viewer, that any
viewing over the net or phone may as well be done by pony express. I
cannot repeat Gene's statement enough that you need a monitor IN THE ROOM
with the viewer. How can you tell over the phone or internet that a
viewer's pupils just suddenly contracted and then enlarged? That is a
prime indicator that he/she has just experienced a visual STRAY CAT (AOL
for all you old timers). How can you tell over the phone or net that a
viewer has just shifted to one side or turned his/her writing paper to an
unusual (to him/her) angle? You can't. Over the phone, you would just
miss too many things to be as effective as you need to be. Like Gene says,
you need a monitor IN THE ROOM.
As for the fact that Gene then continues to say that he has been developing
a protocol for monitoring over an email connection, I stand totally confused.
There is a monitor's manual already in print. It was developed from
several years of sitting in dark CRV rooms making observations of Skip
Atwater's natural monitoring procedures. He has a natural talent for the
monitoring process which I don't think will ever be equaled by anyone. The
manual goes with my monitor's course, and no, it isn't free without the
course. When I train viewers in the Viewers' course, I give them
instruction in monitoring as well, and train them to monitor each other.
They get a copy of the monitor's manual, and you probably won't have too
hard a time getting a pirated copy of it. Just don't let me know. Thanks.
BTW: this all started from Darryl's question:
>I am an artist by trade, but my sketches are nowhere near as good as my
>verbal dscriptions of the target are there any reasons/other instances of
>this within rv?
While I'm making a nuisance of myself, let me comment on that, as well.
Darryl, if you realize that the sketches are reprentations of the target
>>>as your subconscious mind sees it>><, not as your conscious mind sees
it, you will begin to find things in the CRV sketches that you never
realized were there. If you consider sketch as a 2-dimensional ideogram
(the Ideogram being 1-dimensional and the Stage 6 model being a
3-dimensional ideogram), you will quickly realize that by feeling around on
that sketch, you can use it to get all sorts of very highly detailed
information. It actually is an ideogram of sorts, since it is your
subconscious mind's representation of what >>>it>>> is perceiving. As you
get the added perceptions from the sketch, you can either verbalize them or
add to the sketch. Either way, you are gaining more and more contact with
the target. And that ain't bad.
Lyn Buchanan, Problems Solutions Innovations
37 Camino Ranchitos, Alamogordo, New Mexico 88310 (505) 437-8285
Check out our web page at http://www.crviewer.com
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